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Summary of Hearings on Nuclear Energy Policy (11-6-07)
- October 31, 2007: Senate Full Committee
on Environment and Public Works
Hearing on S.37, "Examination of the Licensing Process
for the Yucca Mountain Repository"
- October 3, 2007: Senate Subcommittee on
Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Hearing on "The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's Reactor
Oversight Process"
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Senate
Full Committee on Environment and Public Works
Hearing on S.37, "Examination of the Licensing Process
for the Yucca Mountain Repository"
October 31, 2007
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Witnesses
Panel I
Senator Harry Reid (D-NV)
Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Panel II
Edward F. Sproat III, Director, Office of Civilian Radioactive Waste
Management, U.S. Department of Energy
Robert J. Meyers, Principal Deputy, Assistant Administrator, Office
of Air and Radiation, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Michael Weber, Director, Office of Nuclear Material Safety and Safeguards,
U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Panel III
Catherine Cortez Masto, Attorney General, State of Nevada
James Y. Kerr II, President, National Association of Regulatory Utility
Commissioners
Ken Cook, President, Environmental Working Group
Committee Members Present
Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Thomas R. Carper (D-DE)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
Ranking Member James M. Inhofe (R-OK)
Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
The Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository project (Eureka County,
Nevada) began about 25 years ago, when the Department of Energy (DOE)
signed into a contract with nuclear power plants wherein the plants
paid one tenth of one cent per kilowatt hour produced for the removal
and permanent storage of the nuclear waste the plants created. Additional
costs needed to pay for the design, construction, and maintenance
of the repository are from public funds, ultimately paid by the taxpayers.
The opening of the repository has been pushed back from its initial
date of 1998 to an estimated date of 2017. So far the repository has
cost over $11 billion, been delayed by decades, caused multiple lawsuits,
and faced a great deal of opposition in Nevada and Washington, DC.
This hearing is intended to monitor progress of the DOE application
for construction of the repository and the EPA guidelines for radiation
levels around the repository, both of which have been delayed for
years, and neither of which is complete.
Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-CA) has had "serious concerns"
about the safety of the Yucca Mountain repository for years. Shipping
large amounts of nuclear waste presents a danger to the public, as
does the possibility of waste leaking through and contaminating groundwater.
She stated that wasted money is a big issue, "but how much is
your grandchild's life worth?" She asserted that it is "irrelevant"
whether a person is for nuclear energy, this issue is about safety.
Ranking member James M. Inhofe (R-OK) disapproved of the repository
for other reasons. He believes that billions of dollars have been
"wasted" by the DOE "refusing" to proceed with
action and it is time to "get on with this process" of creating
the repository.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) stated clearly that "Yucca
Mountain is not a safe place" to store spent nuclear fuel due
to the "considerable seismic activity" in the area. She
noted that in September of 2007 a fault line was found underneath
part of the site, hundreds of feet away from where it was thought
to be. Initially the site was chosen because it has the correct geologic
structure to hold waste safely. But Clinton asserted that through
the decades this has proved not to be true, and now the DOE has tried
to engineer its way around the problems rather than find a site that
will work as planned. She said that "we need to find long term
storage solution" but "Yucca Mountain is not the answer."
Future generations will have to live with these decisions for hundreds
of thousands of years, so it is time for the U.S. to "start over
and assemble our best scientific minds" to find a safe solution
and not settle for an "incomplete application for a flawed site
through a rushed and incoherent process."
Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) testified of the importance of clean nuclear
energy to the U.S. economy. In order to increase nuclear power in
the U.S., power plants need reliable permanent storage for waste products.
He also stated that South Carolina has been transporting nuclear waste
for years without any problems. He warned that if Yucca Mountain repository
does not open as planned in 2012 it will stall development of new
plants, keep polluting coal plants open longer, and put the U.S. at
a "competitive disadvantage." If a solution cannot be found
to continue with the repository, $11billion goes "down the drain"
and 30 years have been wasted.
Senator John Ensign (R-NV) gave testimony that nuclear waste is safely
contained in dry casks for 100 years and there is no rush to build
the repository simply because it was chosen decades ago. Ensign continued
that Yucca Mountain's "dirty little secret" is that even
if it is completed, a second repository of equal size will need to
be built to store all the expected nuclear waste. He asserted that
"Yucca Mountain is never going to be completed" and it is
"irresponsible" to continue to fund the project.
Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) testified that Nevada has been fighting
the project for over 20 years, but the entire country would be affected.
Spent nuclear fuel would be shipped across the country to Yucca Mountain,
creating a moving target for terrorists out of the highly hazardous
waste. Reid believes that the "EPA has cast sound science aside
in favor of politics" because it has not finalized the necessary
environmental regulations for radiation around Yucca Mountain and
does not seem determined to finish before the DOE application is due
to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). He cited a Government
Accountability Office (GAO) report on Yucca Mountain revealing
changing timelines, "secret" meetings, and false information
plaguing the project. The EPA will not finish its environmental standard
before the DOE application date although part of the application is
supposed to show how the DOE will meet the EPA standard. Reid concluded
that Yucca Mountain is "government at its worst."
Senator Thomas R. Carper (D-DE) said the government should have offered
something in return for building a nuclear waste storage area so a
state would see a repository as an economic boon. Since Yucca Mountain
may never open, another site may be needed. If so, the government
must find a community which will welcome the economic investment of
a "21st century Manhattan Project." Reid responded that
the original plan was to pick a state solely based on its geologic
formations to protect the public from the waste. But when the DOE
found that the geology in Yucca Mountain was not acceptable, they
started building a "sleeve" inside the rock to hold waste
rather than find an area that was suitable.
The second witness panel included representatives from the three
government bodies overseeing the project, the DOE, EPA, and NRC. Edward
F. Sproat III of the DOE testified first. He said the idea of the
government "rushing" to finish the project is a misconception.
The project itself is almost 30 years old, and the DOE application
is six years old. He stated that they are "now at that point
that the science is ready" to build the repository. Sproat refuted
the terrorism issue, stating that there have been hundreds of safe
trips of nuclear waste by rail and truck with no "fundamental
technological barriers." Currently 121 different sites in 31
states store spent nuclear fuel, and 21 million people live within
75 miles of these sites. Sproat asked which is an easier target for
terrorism, the stationary material, or the secretly moved, guarded
material.
Robert J. Meyers of the EPA testified on the delay related to environmental
standards. He stated that the EPA developed standards for public health
regarding the release of nuclear material in June of 2001. These standards
limited individual exposure to 15 milligrams per year, the most stringent
value in the U.S. today. But these standards covered the time period
up to 10,000 years after closure of the repository, which was found
not to be good enough. The new standards that are being created will
cover one million years after closure. The standards were open for
public comment, and over 2,000 comments were submitted and reviewed.
These comments will be published with the final standards.
Michael Weber from the NRC testified on the review process that will
be used for the DOE application. Because the NRC must review the application,
it currently takes no position on whether spent nuclear fuel can be
stored permanently and safely at Yucca Mountain. Weber stated that
the NRC will base its decision on a "comprehensive, unbiased"
technical safety review of the application, for which the NRC is well
qualified. After this review the NRC will hold formal, public, evidentiary
hearings. Approval or disproval will be based upon the review and
hearings.
Senator Clinton was concerned that the NRC will begin a review of
the DOE license application to meet EPA standards when the standards
are not final. She asked Meyers when the EPA standards would be complete,
to which he replied "our hope is to get that done soon."
Clinton then addressed Sproat, asking why the DOE was "rushing"
to finalize their application without the final EPA standard. Sproat
replied that most of the standards that need to be addressed in the
application have been in place for almost a decade. The one "last
piece" of the EPA standards that is not complete is the level
of radiation that must be maintained for one million years after closure
of the repository. Clinton was concerned that the delays show the
EPA may have to "mangle science" to reach a "preconceived
outcome" set by the Administration. Weber replied that it was
ideal to have all standards set before the application is reviewed,
and the NRC cannot finish the review until all standards are complete.
But they can and will begin the review process with a partial application
once it is submitted.
Senator Carper asked if there are a sufficient number of commissioners
at the NRC to review this application while maintaining over 100 running
power plants in the U.S. and reviewing applications for new power
plants. Carper stressed the need to be "as close to perfect"
as possible because "there is no margin for error" with
nuclear safety. Weber agreed, adding that the NRC has had success
with bringing in new personnel and transferring a large amount of
information, scenarios, data, skills, and models from the people that
have worked at the NRC "all their lives."
Chairwoman Boxer asked how much of the repository design is complete.
Sproat said the DOE will not submit an "incomplete" license
as some have suggested because it will not be accepted if the DOE
does not follow all regulations. He said that the engineering and
design work was about 30-40% complete, but that by "complete"
he means it is completely designed and ready to build. That level
of detail is not necessary and would be a waste of time and money
at this point. When Chairwoman Boxer asked if it was typical for the
NRC to receive applications that are 35% complete Weber responded
that it was, depending on what parts of the application were done.
Senator Carper asked about the possibility of nuclear waste recycling
and its possible effects on a waste repository. Sproat said there
is "no doubt in my mind" that spent nuclear fuel will become
an energy source, but it is unclear when technological advancements
will make it economically beneficial to recycle nuclear waste for
fuel. He noted that Yucca Mountain regulations require that the DOE
retain capability to remove waste if needed, for example to recycle
deposited waste when technology allows. But he added that there will
still be a large amount of waste that is not recyclable and will need
permanent storage.
Catherine Cortez Masto, Attorney General of Nevada, testified that
Yucca Mountain is an "unsafe, physically unsuitable" place
for the repository. She asserted that many "critical" parts
of the design will not be complete by the filing date and thus will
not be in the initial application, including the design of the waste
canisters that will hold spent fuel. She stated that the NRC and the
DOE should not hold themselves to an "artificially-set"
date when it could cause health and security problems.
James Y. Kerr II from the National Association of Regulatory Utility
Commissioners (NARUC) testified that he "accepts and supports"
Nevada's challenge of the licensing of Yucca Mountain. Kerr asserted
that the nuclear waste fund money that should go towards Yucca Mountain
has been diverted for "other budgetary purposes." He claimed
that $29 billion has been collected, and only $9 billion has been
spent on the repository building process. He demanded it is "past
time for the process to move forward."
Ken Cook testified for the Environmental Working Group. He stated
his concern for the "rush to judgment" about Yucca Mountain.
The United States public has a "fundamental right" to know
the potential harm from thousands of shipments of nuclear waste across
the country. Cook said millions of residents live along the planned
waste transportation paths, but the DOE has not informed them. Cook
asserted that transporting waste "expands the danger" and
does not reduce it. He added that if the NRC will be approving new
nuclear power plant licenses they are allowing more waste to be created
before there is a solution to the long-term storage problem.
Senators and witnesses expressed concern about the many delays and
budget changes to the Yucca Mountain repository, however, the greatest
concern of both groups seems to be safety. Supporters of Yucca Mountain
assert that the transport and subsequent storage in the repository
will be safer from terrorist threats than keeping waste on-site at
power plants. But opponents contest that moving the waste is hazardous,
and once in the repository there is an additional risk of groundwater
contamination. The DOE reports it will submit its license application
to the NRC in June 2008, even if the EPA environmental standards for
the project are not complete. This timing troubles many senators and
witnesses, but the three governmental organizations involved (the
EPA, DOE, and NRC) assume that the application will not be approved
unless it shows that the DOE can safely build the repository to function
to the necessary standards.
A link to witness testimony can be found here.
A link to the full text of S.37 can be found here.
A link to the GAO report on Yucca Mountain can be found here.
-EAL
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Senate
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Hearing on "The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's Reactor
Oversight Process"
October 3, 2007
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Witnesses
Panel I
The Honorable Dale Klein, Chairman, Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Gregory B. Jaczko, Commissioner, Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Peter B. Lyons, Commissioner, Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Panel II
Mark E. Gaffigan, Acting Director, Natural Resources and Environment,
United States Government Accountability Office
David Lochbaum, Director, Nuclear Safety Project, Union of Concerned
Scientists
Marvin Fertel, Senior Vice President and Chief Nuclear Officer, Nuclear
Energy Institute
Committee Members Present
Chairman Thomas R. Carper (D-DE)
Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD)
Ranking Member George V. Voinovich (R-OH)
Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
James M. Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Chairman Thomas R. Carper (D-DE) stated that the purpose of this
hearing is to review the appropriateness of the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission's (NRC) reactor oversight process. The hearing is timely
because applications are arriving for the first new power plants to
be built in decades. Over 30 new nuclear power plants may be built
in the next 7-8 years, but Chairman Carper asserted that the 104 currently
operating plants are still the most important. He believes the reactor
oversight process is the "cornerstone" of the NRC, and its
goal should always be the prevention and correction of reactor problems.
Thus he is troubled that 11 plants in the U.S. have problems with
parts of their plants that are deemed "necessary" for operation.
Additionally, some plants have more minor problems that will not go
away. Carper said he hopes to learn what the NRC will do about these
issues.
Ranking Member George V. Voinovich (R-OH) wants to ensure that the
NRC is "aggressively preparing" for regulation of new nuclear
power plants for the first time in 30 years. Voinovich stressed that
"human capital will be a significant challenge" when staffing
these new plants. He suggested looking to academia and labor unions
for the necessary workforce. Finding people qualified to fill these
positions at new and old plants is essential to ensure the safety
of the American public.
Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT) agreed that we must "go the extra
mile" to guarantee the safety of all nuclear power plants. He
said the safety problems caused by aging and increased power needs
are reason for concern. Sanders also asserted that the committee needs
to carefully asses his bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954
(S.1008). This bill would allow state governments to request third
party inspectors, instead of NRC inspectors, to assess the operations
of nuclear power plants. Sanders believes this bill would allow for
less biased inspections.
Senator Larry E. Craig (R-ID) stated that nuclear is a "critical"
clean energy alternative for dealing with climate change concerns.
He believes that with "cooperative oversight", the U.S.
will see a new generation of nuclear power plants built in this country.
Last week marked the first new nuclear power plant license submitted
in more than 30 years, and many more applications are expected in
the next few years. Craig asserted that nuclear energy could be as
important to the economy as the high-tech movement was, offering hundreds
of billions of dollars in jobs and revenue.
Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA) stated that the "only and best"
way to meet standards for clean energy is with nuclear power. In Georgia
and other southern states, there is not enough wind to make wind power
a viable option. Solar energy is also not economically feasible in
the region. Nuclear can solve some major energy problems in the U.S.
and is needed to make the U.S. competitive in the global economy.
Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) began his comments by applauding how
the U.S. Navy has "never had a single nuclear accident since
the 1950s". He was particularly interested in options for the
disposal of nuclear waste. He also agreed with Isakson that wind and
solar energy were not efficient energy sources in the southeast, and
that nuclear is the best option for clean energy. Senator Alexander
said that currently 70% of clean energy and 20% of total energy produced
in the U.S. is nuclear. In the future, he believes America needs "aggressive
conservation" and increased nuclear energy capacity.
Senator Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD) wants the U.S. to obtain energy
independence for domestic and economic security. He is also concerned
about the environment, and believes nuclear energy is a clean alternative.
His home state of Maryland relies on nuclear for 28% of its total
energy use. But Cardin warned that safety was of utmost importance.
He reminded the committee that in 1987, control room operators of
the Peach Bottom nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania were found asleep
at the job. He called this lack of concern for public safety "unacceptable".
Cardin feels additional steps need to be taken to protect the public.
The Honorable Dale Klein, Chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
(NRC), gave the testimony for the NRC. He defended the NRC review
process, stating that in fact it is an independent review of the safety
of a nuclear plant. He said this week the NRC received the first of
five new power plant applications expected in 2007, marking the start
of a new period of nuclear advancement in the U.S. He reassured the
committee that the NRC has been preparing for the increased demands
this will create. Klein also wanted to address a few incidents the
NRC has dealt with recently.
The first was a test of NRC security by the Government Accountability
Office (GAO). The GAO created a fake business, and through this business
obtained licenses for purchasing radioactive materials. The GAO was
then able to modify the licenses to obtain larger quantities of radioactive
materials than they had been approved for. The only portion of their
security test that did not work was when the GAO attempted to obtain
a license from the state of Maryland, which said it would require
a visit to the business first. Klein said this test showed a "weakness"
in its licensing process for "lower risk" materials, which
the NRC quickly addressed. The NRC now requires on-site reviews of
all businesses requesting licenses for radioactive materials.
The second incident occurred in March 2006, when a plant in Erwin,
Tennessee leaked highly enriched uranium from its protected storage
container into the plant itself. Congress was not informed of this
incident until May 2007, during the NRC "report to Congress on
Abnormal Occurrences in 2006". Now the NRC alerts Congress quickly
of any incidents, and has also increased and expedited communication
with the public when necessary. The NRC has responded to these and
other reoccurring problems at nuclear power plants by changing its
reactor oversight process to include more inspections, to focus those
inspections on problem areas, and to increase cooperative work with
the plant to identify and remedy the problem.
Chairman Carper asked the panel how the NRC planned to better identify
potential problems before they occur. Klein responded that the NRC
was trying to find out what predictors are "red flags".
Once they find a problem, the NRC looks back to see what they should
have asked or looked at in order to see the problem coming. Senator
Sanders addressed the August 21, 2007 collapse of a power plant cooling
tower in his state of Vermont. A week after the collapse, the plant
was shutdown due to clogged cooling pipes. Sanders asked the panel
if they would have confidence in the NRC, because "Vermont does
not". Klein's response was that the cooling tower was not part
of the safety system. He also said the new, more rigorous inspection
procedures will be used from now on.
Senator Craig inquired about the additional staffing that new procedures
and additional plants will require. Peter B. Lyons, NRC Commissioner,
responded that the NRC was hiring new staff to meet the needs created
by the planned power plants. Last year, over 400 new employees were
hired, and currently the NRC has a net hiring goal of 200 people per
year.
Senator Voinovich asked if the NRC identified great training programs
or "safety cultures" in certain power plants that can be
models for the industry. Klein responded that they do not because
it is not a regulatory requirement. This issue could be looked at
more definitively, but is controversial for them to cover because
it overlaps with management issues, and the NRC cannot regulate management.
Senator Sanders said he was "not convinced" the NRC knows
what to do with nuclear waste. Klein responded that most sites have
storage now, which is low risk and will be good for 100 years. When
asked about the terrorist threat this storage may pose, Klein said
that the NRC has looked into those issues.
The second panel provided an external review of the NRC reactor oversight
process. David Lochbaum, director of the Nuclear Safety Project created
by the Union of Concerned Scientists, testified first. He presented
the results of an NRC assessment using guidelines created by the Nuclear
Energy Agency. Of the four attributes tested, the NRC passed one,
failed two and received no assessment for the fourth. The NRC received
a passing grade for the attribute "Ensures that an acceptable
level of safety is being maintained by the regulated operating organizations".
However, the NRC failed the attribute "Takes appropriate actions
to prevent degradation of safety and to promote safety improvements".
Lochbaum stated that since 1966, there have been 51 power plant shut-downs
lasting over one year to restore proper safety levels. Mr. Lochbaum
was disappointed in the lack of "aggressive and forceful regulation"
by the NRC, and referred to the organization as a "meek and mild
enabler of non-conforming behavior". The NRC's second failed
attribute is "Performs its regulatory functions in a timely and
cost-effective manner as well as in a manner that ensures the confidence
of the operating organizations, the general public, and the government".
Some states are attempting to assign independent safety reviewers
to check power plants because they do not trust the review of the
NRC. Lochbaum also said that his organization supports bill S.1008,
which would allow states to request independent safety assessments.
The fourth attribute, which the NRC neither passed nor failed, was
"Strives for continuous improvements in its performance".
Mr. Lochbaum concluded that the NRC will not be able to improve until
new management brings change to the organization.
Marvin Fertel of the Nuclear Energy Institute provided additional
review of the reactor oversight process. He said the process was "evolving".
One major step has been the increased dissemination of information.
Now all assessment data is posted online and available to the public.
Another step is increased review objectivity, which has helped improve
safety performance. The 2006 Government Accountability Office (GAO)
report included recommendations for the oversight process. One major
recommendation is increased emergency preparedness and public warning
systems. Another is a more structured and prevalent safety culture,
preferably with a written component that could be used by power plants.
Mr. Fertel asserted it is essential that the NRC continues to review
its process and its outcomes.
GAO's Mark E. Gaffigan reviewed the results of their report on the
reactor oversight process, which has been used since 2000. The report
covered how the NRC was implementing the process, the results of the
process, and continuing efforts to improve the process. Major recommendations
of the study included more quickly and effectively identifying "declining
safety performance" and better staffing and processes to prepare
for the increased workload created by the new license applications.
Mr. Gaffigan is "hopeful" that future review of the process
will show improvement.
Chairman Carper asked what recommendations the GAO had for the NRC
to better identify and address safety issues. Gaffigan believes safety
culture is one important aspect. Another is current performance indicators,
which he feels are actually lagging indicators that do not identify
problems early enough. Senator Voinovich asked why companies objected
to the creation and enforcement of safety culture standards. Mr. Fertel
said the industry feels it is imposing its own safety culture already,
and that the NRC would be regulating management, which they do not
want.
Senator Sanders listed a number of states that have requested independent
assessment of power plants, and asked why these states have lost confidence
in the reactor oversight process of the NRC. Mr. Lochbaum replied
that the process was created well before September 11, 2001, and so
its security checks were not up to date.
Chairman Carper then asked what the NRC can do to find and rectify
problems earlier. Mr. Fertel admitted there is no "silver bullet"
performance indicator, but said the new reactor oversight process
worked "almost in real time", giving the NRC information
more quickly so they can identify a safety decline much sooner.
Senator Voinovich wanted to know about nuclear waste storage facilities.
He asked for information on lawsuits against the Energy Department
for not providing the nuclear waste storage services for which they
charged nuclear power plants. Mr. Fertel responded that all nuclear
power companies have sued the government over this problem. He also
said some central treatment and storage facilities would be beneficial
for plants that are close to the site if they can be built and maintained.
All witnesses, even NRC members, admit the NRC has made mistakes
in the past and still must work to instill confidence in the industry
and the public. Some panelists focused on the good the reactor oversight
process has done since its implementation in 2000. Others stressed
recent power plant accidents and other problems still plaguing the
commission. It is unclear whether the new staff and procedures implemented
for the increase in reactor applications will encourage greater confidence
in the NRC.
A link to the text of S.1008 "To amend the Atomic Energy Act
of 1954" can be found here.
A link to the GAO report "NRC Has Made Progress in Implementing
Its Reactor Oversight and Licensing Processes but Continues to Face
Challenges" can be found here.
A link to witness testimony and archive webcast can be found here.
-EAL
Sources: Hearing testimony.
Contributed by Elizabeth Landau, 2007 AGI/AAPG Fall Intern, and Linda
Rowan, Director of Government Affairs.
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Last updated on October 22, 2007.
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